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Naturalizing the self: what happens to free will?

Nov 10
Tue 7:00 PM
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Who organized?
Tom Clark

Hi folks,

Thanks to those who attended a good discussion on meditation. We also touched on the issue of free will, which deserves more attention. Atheists and humanists for the most part haven't faced up to the questions about human agency raised by holding a naturalistic worldview. Given that science-based naturalism suggests we are fully physical beings, subject to cause and effect, what happens to free will? Do we still have it? And if we don't, what are the implications? Lots about this at Naturalism.Org, for instance at the free will and criminal justice pages.

I'll be reserving a table for us at Redline in the back room. NOTE: Parking is free at the garage adjacent to Redline (at the corner of JFK and Elliot streets) if you order food!

best,

Tom

twc at naturalism.org
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PS: if you have topics you'd like to discuss or other ideas for future meetups, or meeting spots you like, please suggest them.

PPS: If someone has a big living room where we could all gather to watch a film, it might be fun to see Knowing, which deals with predestination, free will, etc. Other suggestions for films related to our concerns most welcome.

General description of what we're about (this bit doesn't change from month to month):

Allies of Naturalism welcomes those interested in exploring and promoting a science-based, humanistic and progressive naturalism that can make a difference in our lives. To see what's involved in being a humanistic and progressive naturalist (more or less), check out Naturalism.Org, centerfornaturalism.org and the Guide to Naturalism at http://www.centerforn....

Essentially, naturalism shows our full connection to the world and others, leads to an ethics of compassion, and gives us far greater control over our circumstances. We don't need anything supernatural either above us or inside us to lead moral and meaningful lives: nature is enough. Naturalism is a viable alternative to faith-based worldviews such as traditional religions and new age philosophies, offering a set of ideas with positive personal and social consequences.

The meetings offer a chance to meet fellow naturalists in an informal, relaxed setting, but with at least some structure. That's to say that we'll try to have one or two topics suggested in advance for people to think about, and then discuss when we get together. Ultimately the focus and format of the meetings will be determined by participants, but will certainly include time for socializing and networking. Watch the discussion board for topic announcements and other details. Hope to see you there!

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  • Miles Rind
    Posted Nov 11, 2009 8:48 AM
    Addendum: Also, I'm glad that we were able to meet in a nice, quiet room, with little background noise.
  • Miles Rind
    Posted Nov 11, 2009 8:47 AM
    The conversation gave a big stir to the thoughts and assumptions that had settled to the bottom of my personal philosophy pot.
  • Pre-Meetup comments below
  • Larry K
    Posted Nov 8, 2009 11:59 PM
    It might be extremely rare that any quantum fluctuations will have a measurable macro effect, but it depends entirely on exactly what it is that you're measuring and the context of the neuron. Does the rarity of macro effects change in the context of a living brain vs a petri dish?
  • Larry K
    Posted Nov 8, 2009 11:56 PM
    I had a whole line of reasoning set out about the shortcomings of causal determinism (but not a defense of free will), but I just can't make it. If I can throw a thought into the ring in absentia, it's that I've revised my answer to a question from last time: if you run an experiment on a neuron with the exact same initial conditions and exact same method 100,000 times (or more), will it always have the same result? After lots of reading and thinking, I now think the answer is no.
  • Fred Meyer
    Posted Oct 27, 2009 11:16 PM
    Would love to come, but have a 7:30 class @ Harvard Tuesday nights this fall. Sorry to miss you. Fred

Who attended?

  • 4 attendees
    • Michael (+1 guest)
       About the meeting of that name, rather good. I wish we had an attendee who could argue for relevant points to which You Jim and I give inadequate consideration, yet still within the naturalist framework. Having you and Scott co-lead the same discussion could be interesting.